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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 9/6/2010 4:36:02 PM
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I was surprised at how much I wrote, over a page! Question for those who have written grad/professional statements/essays..are there page limits to them? To me essay means a 1-2 page limit.
I had to write two separate essays for my grad school packet. One was a three page essay and one was 5 pages, but those were the specified lengths in my instructions. I've had several professors say when you have to write a personal essay and the length is not specified, never go over 2 pages.
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 9/6/2010 10:04:14 PM
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Had to write an in-class essay today for English Lit. Almost had a panic attack because my mind went completely blank! I focused on breathing slow and re-skimmed the story and then it went okay. I think. I don't like to work under that kind of pressure.
I guess I did better than many, at least. Several people hadn't read the story, so they didn't have anything to write, and they left.  I'll not be skipping homework in this class!
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 9/6/2010 11:04:50 PM
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.....way to be, Donna! You go girl!
The reading on the essay conversation was good... I'm glad you guys posted. I'm taking mental notes.... on second thought... I may need to write it in my journal! 
I'm finally finishing up my History paper...  Sometimes it's hard to find the motivation to write... I need to pray more often about school. 
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 9/7/2010 12:40:15 AM
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I actually enjoy essay writing, which is good since most of my exams are in essay form now. I'm getting lots of practice at writing them on the fly! Not as crazy about full on research papers, but essays are ok.
I have a full week with no classes and no training for work. I'm going to clean my house! It's pathetic how exciting that is for me!
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 9/7/2010 2:22:57 AM
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I spent most of my Labor Day uploading new tracks to my church's Live365 radio channel, reading my Internet Tech textbook, and doing a lab project consisting of creating and customizing an iGoogle home page. I had to add six apps from the "Get Stuff" menu, and I added Pac-Man, Hanna-Barbera cartoon art, a cutesy Penguins screen animation, and a Flinstones banner. Yabba-dabba-doo. 
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 9/7/2010 10:05:45 AM
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I have a google homepage somewhere... but my preference is myway.com. I've had that one for almost 10 years and it's all set up how I like it. 
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 9/7/2010 12:14:48 PM
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I don't mind it in general, I just was caught off guard and my mind went absolutely blank for a couple minutes. Now I'm warmed up, so was ready for another one when I went to class today...and he didn't ask for one. LOL
This professor is very unpredictable in general. Likes to steer us one direction in discussion and then throw it the complete opposite way. I like that...but I also like a little warning when a quiz or in class assignment is on its way.
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 9/7/2010 5:55:43 PM
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heykarlie good luck with your plans, and congrats on having clients to work with! that would be really intimidating but i know you've got the training to back it so that makes the difference :)
auugh just a few days til the mcat, folks! i am praying that these practice tests hold the line and are truly representative of the real thing. then it's just up to me to not panic 
and always how long it took me depends on when you consider me starting hahaha... i kept thinking i need to not worry about that decision and just focus on work NOW, because without a good analysis of what work now is like (if i'm good at it, etc) i can't make that decision... but avoiding thinking about it was impossible. it was on my mind through all of grad school (years). i started reading the bible in early 08 though and it took me a full year to finish. i would say later in 08 was when i began to realize that putting aside this consideration until i had other stuff fully figured out was being more of a hindrance than a help. it probably took me a year of intermittent freaking out and trying to get my brains in order before i began making solid moves, figuring i had analyzed this inside out til next tuesday so if i hadn't convinced myself to drop it by now i should get on it :) started looking at schedules, looking at school requirements (again), got mcat books, etc etc. NOT the smoothest way to do things, but i guess that's what happens when you're essentially a neonatal christian trying to figure out a big decision of Life.
i'm glad you've been able to get through the decision, and hopefully a lot less messily than i did. i would definitely set your sights wherever you can see, though yep i would also apply to a number of schools. i'm like you, i feel the 'plan b' idea but the plan b is not going to the school i'd love to attend. i know i can get in somewhere. and if i really want it i will walk through whichever door He opens.
til then i've got the mcat, probably a few prereqs, and a domino effect of needing to shadow/talk to premed advisor/ etc that can't be done til i tell my advisor which i feel can't be done til i have my next step for my grad school work in his hands... after saturday, it's full grad school steam ahead!
i signed up to partially fill out amcas this year just to see what it was like, though i'd read stuff about it before hand. mostly tedious stuff like any app. your personal statement is limited, 5300 characters including spaces was what i last read. good luck with your prehealth committee stuff! i assume i won't use the one at this university bc i'm in grad school but i'll have to check with them. it seems to be highly suspect not to use them if you get your undergrad degree there but otherwise i'll have to feel it out.
ok, lots to do, but after dinner! priorities, people.
good luck all with essays and in class quizzes and studying, oh my ;)
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 9/7/2010 7:14:50 PM
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Thank you Always for peeling me off the ceiling...my husband is trying to do the same thing...
Well, back to spewing...er...writing!
No problem. I"m sure I'll do the same in the weeks and months to come, and you can peel me off the ceiling in return when the time comes. 
WasLost, you can peel ME off the ceiling now!
:::::getting out her big "overloaded, overstressed, grown-up college student spatula"::::::::::::::::::
 I really needed that. I feel a lot better today. When I first learn of things I need to do I get overwhelmed at the moment I learn about it..lol. I start getting panicked! After I've had time to actually digest it and think "Okay, I can do this!!!" (need the pep talk, I do that a lot.lol), I feel better. The panic dies away until all that's left is this determination to just do it.  But I'm sure your spatula will come in handy again!
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auugh just a few days til the mcat, folks! i am praying that these practice tests hold the line and are truly representative of the real thing. then it's just up to me to not panic
and always how long it took me depends on when you consider me starting hahaha... i kept thinking i need to not worry about that decision and just focus on work NOW, because without a good analysis of what work now is like (if i'm good at it, etc) i can't make that decision... but avoiding thinking about it was impossible. it was on my mind through all of grad school (years). i started reading the bible in early 08 though and it took me a full year to finish. i would say later in 08 was when i began to realize that putting aside this consideration until i had other stuff fully figured out was being more of a hindrance than a help. it probably took me a year of intermittent freaking out and trying to get my brains in order before i began making solid moves, figuring i had analyzed this inside out til next tuesday so if i hadn't convinced myself to drop it by now i should get on it :) started looking at schedules, looking at school requirements (again), got mcat books, etc etc. NOT the smoothest way to do things, but i guess that's what happens when you're essentially a neonatal christian trying to figure out a big decision of Life.
i'm glad you've been able to get through the decision, and hopefully a lot less messily than i did. i would definitely set your sights wherever you can see, though yep i would also apply to a number of schools. i'm like you, i feel the 'plan b' idea but the plan b is not going to the school i'd love to attend. i know i can get in somewhere. and if i really want it i will walk through whichever door He opens.
til then i've got the mcat, probably a few prereqs, and a domino effect of needing to shadow/talk to premed advisor/ etc that can't be done til i tell my advisor which i feel can't be done til i have my next step for my grad school work in his hands... after saturday, it's full grad school steam ahead!
i signed up to partially fill out amcas this year just to see what it was like, though i'd read stuff about it before hand. mostly tedious stuff like any app. your personal statement is limited, 5300 characters including spaces was what i last read. good luck with your prehealth committee stuff! i assume i won't use the one at this university bc i'm in grad school but i'll have to check with them. it seems to be highly suspect not to use them if you get your undergrad degree there but otherwise i'll have to feel it out.
ok, lots to do, but after dinner! priorities, people.
good luck all with essays and in class quizzes and studying, oh my ;)
I pray you do well on the MCAT too! I haven't taken a look at the questions. Haven't had time. I just know what topics are on it and when the date I want to sit for it.lol. I'll probably really sit down and take a look at one (I printed a free practice test from the MCAT website) during Christmas break, after the semester is over. I just need to focus on doing well (A's!!) in my classes this semester.
I signed up to take a free practice MCAT exam being done through Kaplan at the university I go to. It's on Oct. 17th and you sit down and take the MCAT and you get the score immediately afterwards so you know how you did and where you stand. I went to the 1st prehealth honor society meeting tonight and they had a rep talking about it. I didn't know this, but the average for the MCAT is a 24! (out of 45!). That's a pretty low average. Not sure if that's 1st time takers or what though. Oh, I'm excited cuz I get to watch an open heart surgery at a local hospital in October. Through the same honor society. Surgery doesn't interest me, but being able to observe one sounds cool!
Lol. You also sound like me by analyzing it every possible angle and direction. I've done that to where afterwards I was mentally exhausted! Even though I know what I have to do, what God wants me to do, I'm still freaking out every now and then.lol. I try not to let the stats discourage me (you know, when you read about stats of competitive applicants) because if God told me this is what I'm to do, it'll happen. I feel God is leading me to the school He wants me to apply to. It's strange, but this entire process, I feel it's a done deal I just have to do my part by studying and doing well in school and in other activities like volunteer and the research lab, and God will take care of the rest. On the one hand my human self is going "What? Are you kidding? Like you can get into that school!" but on the other hand I'm going along thinking I'm going to get in no problem.
Unfortunately, I think medical schools require a committee packet if the school you take prereqs requires prehealth students to do one. Which means, the medical school will wonder why I didn't do it when the university I go to requires it.
Which prereqs are you still taking? Oh, btw at that prehealth honor society meeting there were a lot of students there, but a lot of them aren't prepared for the app process (based on the questions/answers the prehealth advisor asked and received in return!). Makes me feel relieved to know I'm way ahead of the game here in having all my ducks lined in a row. Everything he suggested for students to do to make their app look better (like research experience or honor committee) I've already thought of months ago! The only thing I lack is the medical experience (shadowing/volunteering). Do you have any suggestions there? I'm trying to figure out where I could volunteer but have no clue.
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 9/8/2010 12:45:04 PM
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LOL at the adult sized spatula WasLost...
thanks always :) that free exam (number3) from the official website? I'd save that one as a good marker for post study - there are only 8 exams the real folks will give you (one for free) and they're supposedly the best indicators/practice. Regardless don't take any exam on paper that you have the chance to take at the computer, since that's how you'll take the real thing. The kaplan one will be a good diagnostic pretest. Man i would have flunked a test before the studying (prereqs having been 10 years ago and all). Yeah the avg can be low - it's a rough test. But if you get a 30 I think something like 60-65% of people with that score get in SOMEwhere. Anyway if you're taking it next summer you've got plenty of time. The prereqs won't be so far gone for you either so you won't need quite as long I'd guess.
Way to go being in your honorary (is it AED?), and have fun watching your surgery :) I really enjoy watching surgeries and it's part of the confirmation for me that somewhere in THIS building is where I belong. When we leave, as grad students, our responsibility is to the data we gathered, and that's it - it's a let down for me bc that's not where I want my focus to lie. Or something. I still freak out and think 'what am i crazy!?' a lot, and overoveranalyze, but then i just gotta go on. it's good in some ways because i do need the realistic picture of what i'll need to get in, but once the freakout proceeds past that it is not useful and i gotta put a cap on it.
and despite all the upper level work i have, i only took 1 bio+lab in college and i tested out of english so i might need 2 classes there (what!? rrrr...). i DID take literature but it was a foreign language, like the books were IN the other language. the prehealth advisor might be able to tell me if that might count but most people say if it doesn't say ENGL in front of it then it's likely a no go. they don't bend much it seems. hopefully i'll enroll at a local comm college next term (can't afford to pay for classes where i'm in grad school!).
i havent shadowed yet but when i do i'll recheck if there's any official channel, then cold call if there's not (i dont think there is here for old fogies). i had an old mdphd student from our lab tell me some names of ppl who might be friendly vs not. i'll try to shadow a few different doc types, at least one that is in primary care. that's at a big hospital. if you volunteer somewhere smaller it might be a slow enough environmt to ask while you volunteer. volunteering is almost always available at hospitals in various areas. try to get in somewhere you can interact with patients (even asking them if they need magazines or water etc). the ER is a good place i find to interact with lots of people in a short time. restrictions on what you do/dont do appears to vary a lot. another option that i want to do but havent done yet is finding free clinics in the area, to get a view of medicine that's not at an academic hospital center.
ok, time to go edit a paper for my actual job ;) hopefully sometime this term i'll have my first first author pub accepted somewhere. slow grad student is sloooowww hahahaha...
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 9/8/2010 1:26:30 PM
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Yeah I printed one from the free website. I know it's best to do it through the computer, but that's why I figure I'll do the Kaplan practice test next month. I haven't taken physics, and still taking organic chemistry so I'm not expecting my practice score to be stellar.lol. I just want to see the test format and how the questions are set up. Become familiar with it and not so "Oh no, MCAT!" It seems everyone dreads taking it..but you know, you're right if you take the prereqs the MCAT shouldn't be so bad. I've been told it's all about how you approach the test and how you take the test. You have to make sure you answer all the questions and don't spend too much time on any one, since it doesn't penalize you for wrong answers, only on the number of correct answers you get.
I plan to be way above the average!! I am taking it next August because by then I will have taken all the necessary prereqs for medical school (gen chem, physics, organic chem, bio, etc)..all of the material that is on the MCAT. So studying shouldn't be so bad, more like review (if I paid attention in class!haha). That's what I'm aiming for anyways!
Yes, it is AED. Even though surgery is not an area I'm interested in, (I like microbiology/immunology), I think it'd be cool to watch.
So are you a grad student right now? What bio classes have you taken? Are you taking human anatomy or human physiology? While I know medical schools only list the minimum requirements, I am going above it to have a better looking app. So I'm taking genetics, immunology, human physiology, biochemistry I and II (or the biochem lab instead of biochem II, still debating on that...), and 2 upper level microbiology courses. Then again, I'm wanting to apply MD/PhD program so I don't know how they would view the extra classes.
About shadowing/volunteering. I sent an email to a former worker who's a nurse for any tips. And I've considered asking the doctor that I see if she has any ideas.lol. I'm not afraid to ask anyone!
Oh, and today was the 1st day I helped out at the research lab. Just 2 hours. I can't do anything fun yet, just help with odds and ends kind of stuff, unfortunately (but then everyone has to do that in the lab so...I guess it's not so bad! lol), but I got to talk with one of the PhD students and he was showing me what he's working on and explained a lot of stuff. So now I'm eager and waiting for the day when I get to actually do real lab work! lol.
I have lab safety training on Monday and go back again next Wednesday to learn about autoclave stuff.
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 9/8/2010 6:14:27 PM
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hahaha... so short but so accurate. "oh no, MCAT!" ... i wish i had a tshirt that said that, because i would wear that badboy saturday. calling up 10 year old knowledge has been tough, but kinda neat. supposedly other standardized tests are indicative so if you're good at testing that'll be a good start. way to aim high :) im trying to just take it one day at a time and get er done. otherwise i'll be thinking about what score i could get yaaaaay but wait what if i bomb noooooo and i won't be focused.
yep i'm a grad student. i took physiology with the med students at our univ (required for entering people in my grad program). it was a lot of info but very helpful. i took that and a vascular pathology class but those were the only kinda straight up bio i've had in grad school i think. the rest are engineeringy. which is cool too :) genetics and physiology are mcat helpful, for sure. having had phsyio made probably 4 of my 9 mcat bio review chapters a fairly simple review. having had genetics would have been a help, but i also lack a term of bio so my deficit may come from there. supposedly the real thing is getting more genetics heavy. eep!
anyway, having a background in all the classes you listed will be relevant in med school, so it sounds like a good plan. biochem is even suggested or strongly suggested at some schools as a prereq. i was considering taking a term of that too for that reason. even community college is so expensive though if you can't get in state tuition...
are you doing a post bacc education or are you getting a whole undergrad degree here? what's your original undergrad degree?
yay getting to start poking around in lab! hopefully it'll be a really good experience. sounds like you have a grad student who is interested and willing to inform you. very key stuff, that is ;)
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 9/8/2010 6:50:36 PM
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Lol. You should definitely create a shirt that says that! "Oh no, the MCAT!" Actually, you've given me an idea. If I ever remember, I would get one made, do it and wear it into testing day!
From what I remember of the SAT (when I took it so long ago!) I hated it. When I was looking at the GRE's verbal section I thought, "What?!". Those verbal analogies are so confusing to me.lol. I wasn't too fond of the straight math section either.
I actually (call me crazy!) think the MCAT won't be as hard because that bad boy is pretty much ALL science and that's where I excel. Science is my strong point, so far I've got a 4.0 in my science classes! I must keep it up this semester.lol. My goal for MCAT is at least 38. I'm looking forward to taking human phys next semester. Animal bio class I'm taking now is probably the 1st bio class I haven't had much interest (and therefore more struggle). The 1st 4 chapters is on evolution, phylogeny, taxonomy, etc. Topics to put me to sleep.lol.
And the verbal section looks like just reading passages and answering questions (no horrible tea is to cup as to sky is to [fill in the blank] questions.lol), and a writing sample. I have no problem with that kind of question either. My only problem will be making sure I finish all the questions in the allotted time. I tend to take too much time on a question, so it's just a matter of coming up with a strategy where I can answer the question in a timely manner.
I had considered on getting another B.S., in biology/chemistry, but I scratched that plan once I made the decision to do med school. I have to take ecology and plant bio, and one extra math class, and ecology is a pretty intensive class (it's considered a writing-intensive class and there's a big paper you have to write). And plant bio doesn't interest me at all. I'm more of a microbio/cell bio/molecular gal. And math, while I like math it's just extra time and money I don't want to spend. If I were to spend money on a class, it wouldn't be math, but a fun class with a title like "zombies" (yes, the school I go to is offering a class titled zombies through the anthropology department! I almost decided to take the class, I keep meaning to sit in on a class or two just for fun.). My top choice school Johns Hopkins requires an undergrad degree, but I have one, a double major in accounting and MIS. So I'm just going to do prereqs and follow the schoolplan I want to. I figure why do I need another B.S. degree, when eventually I'll have an MD/PhD under my belt? No one really looks at B.S. degrees anymore, and you definitely want to go for more if you want to do more.
And yes, I also was surprised the PhD student was so willing to ask what I know was probably elementary questions, but he told me he used to be a teacher of high school AP biology so I guess it's the teacher in him to love to explain to those who ask him.
Vascular pathology sounds like an interesting class, how did you like it? Oh, and the only reason I'm taking animal bio is because it's a prereq for genetics, which is a prereq for immunology which I DO want to really take! I guess it also helps that topics on evolution is covered on the MCAT as well so the animal bio class isn't a waste of my time...
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 9/9/2010 11:31:43 PM
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....... okay you guys. I have a HUGE praise the LORD!
So I got caught up with family life and melted over a paper in History class. It was due Sunday night.... earlier that day my pastor talked about discouragement and walking through it.
So.... I finished my paper 24 hours late and emailed it to the professor. I told him that I was submitting my paper as an act of obedience of walking through discouragement and that I didn't expect a grade. I just wanted him to see that I did the work.
He TOTALLY was full of grace... not only did he accept my paper... he gave me an A!!!
(Now I know this isn't permission to allow melt-downs to become a common occurrence in my life.)
... but I feel as if his action was similar to taking my hand and helping me over a rocky part of a hiking path.
I'm soooo thankful!!!
I love my school!
I love my teachers!
I love that my teachers love Jesus!
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 9/9/2010 11:42:35 PM
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That's a huge praise, Rach!
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 9/10/2010 11:57:09 PM
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Alwaysinjoy, you're in VA??? So am I!!!
Anyway...I gritted my teeth and submitted my essay...1100 hard fought words. I'm pretty sure I completely messed up the formatting (never my strong point), but even my hubby said it was good...(and he can be my worst critic!)! So, now I can fret, stress and pray...test to take tomorrow... 
Ok...now for the enjoyment and relaxation part of my Friday night (I've been sitting here stressing, goofing off and writing for the last 6 hours)...tomorrow is Fall Community Group Kick-Off at church. Gotta be there at 8am (which is the middle of the night for me on a Saturday).
AlwaysR8chel, thanks for the emails and encouragement!
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 9/11/2010 10:26:13 AM
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 9/11/2010 4:23:36 PM
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I'm in Richmond! But, at the moment, I'm in Manassas.
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Soooo..that's 3 just for the AMCAS app, not including the several I have to write for my prehealth committee packet. Well, at least I got the 1st draft of the primary essay.lol. I can't write about the other essays until I get more experience working in the lab. 
